<div dir="ltr">Okay, So I will dig in to the details of the implementation of sendfile on freebsd to find if it does indeed use mmap, or if there is an implementation that doesn't. <div><br></div><div>I will inform as soon as I figure it out if this is the correct way out.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks and Regards,</div><div>Sujay Raj</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Joel Sherrill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joel.sherrill@oarcorp.com" target="_blank">joel.sherrill@oarcorp.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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I agree with Sebastian.<br>
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Using read write in a loop can only serve as a makeshift measure.<br>
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If it doesn't rely on mmap(). If it does, then it won't work.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Sebastian Huber<br>
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I would use the sendfile system call implementation from FreeBSD and add<br>
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implement sendfile(). This makes only sense if you can use kernel space<br>
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Monkey use conditionals for each implementation: Linux, FreeBSD and OSX.<br>
My suggestion is that RTEMS may implement a sendfile based on FreeBSD format<br>
which can easily be emulated as a read() and further write() for socket<br>
operations. That will help not only Monkey, but also other software that<br>
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I am not the best one to talk about RTEMS, but the Kernel always knows<br>
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do you think is possible to do that on RTEMS ?<br>
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I am working on porting Monkey HTTP server on rtems.<br>
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Sendfile is not specified in POSIX.1-2001 or other standards and its<br>
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Freebsd has sendfile in its libc.<br>
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FreeBSD has a completely different API for sendfile(). Plus the source<br>
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must be a regular file and the destination a socket.<br>
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This is a random discussion of sendfile() on various OSes. It mentions<br>
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Since you can't do that on RTEMS, you are stuck with a loop<br>
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implementation. [1]<br>
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So I opened this thread to discuss how should we proceed with this<br>
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What's the feeling on having a default implementation in Monkey and<br>
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doing a malloc() of the buffer and then free()'ing it.<br>
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