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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello Joel,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you for your reply.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I meant by design tools, UML tools (I am targeting component and sequence diagrams). It seems that you meant that you consider design tools the ones that are able to produce code from the design. Indeed was not with that goal in mind, because:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>è<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>RTEMS source code is already defined (although this would not be a critical point, since reverse engineering would be possible, like will do the doxygen)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>è<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As far as I know, most of these tools target code production for object-oriented languages. This is not the case for RTEMS.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What do you mean by a use-case? An example? I tried to quick capture the main features of the tools and their applicability to our project and, as you may read in the previous e-mail, the PlantUML and blockdiag are the far the most suitable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree with the approach to generate detail design data from source code and then for the top level architecture, to use the Design selected tool. Of course part of the work will be to incorporate functionality that if an architectural change in the code is made, the user shall be warned to update the Architectural Design. This shall be done by linking (traceability) architectural components source code (that’s why defining architectural components in text files will be useful).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>José<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Joel Sherrill [mailto:joel@rtems.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> segunda-feira, 25 de março de 2019 16:31<br><b>To:</b> Jose Valdez<br><b>Cc:</b> rtems-devel@rtems.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Design Tools for RTEMS Qualification Toolchain<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>You haven't defined what you mean by design tool. The implication seems to be<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>something to do UML-ish things in.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>PlantUML with DITAA, mscgen, and dot (e.g. graphviz) as backups is a pretty <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>good combination for drawing diagrams.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But they are not design tools IMO. They are tools to produce diagrams which<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>can be used in design documents. When you say design tools, I think tools<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>like Enterprise Architect, Magic Draw, etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And for design, there are multiple levels. As a minimum, I would expect a<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>higher level architectural view and a low level software design. The former<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>is primarily going to be abstract with figures and descriptions. Probably a<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>document when it is done. The low level design should be able to be <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>captured via Doxygen and the drawing tools above.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please define the use cases for the tool before dropping into specific tools.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--joel<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:52 AM Jose Valdez <<a href="mailto:Jose.Valdez@edisoft.pt">Jose.Valdez@edisoft.pt</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I have been doing the Design Tools investigation. I had investigated several tools with the following features in mind:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Open Source and active project</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Text-file based tool, which allows git control and manipulation of the files with other tools (to add extra functionality)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Diagram export to image and possibly to ascii art (if we want to incorporate some diagrams into source code)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>User friendly</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Both component and sequence diagrams available</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>After my investigation I made the following short list:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>PlantUML: It has all characteristics above listed. Unfortunately, the export to ascii art diagrams feature is only available in the PlantUML online editor, also, there is no GUI (at least which I am aware of, but no big problem) for editing diagrams. Note that although the tool is called PlantUML, PlantUML is itself a standard, so there are several tools, which can handle it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Modelio: More GUI based than text file based. Import/Export from/to html like files is possible, however in a hard-to-understand format</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Violet: Also a GUI based. It has a simpler interface, but slower (annoying) than Modelio. The model is saved into html in a hard-to-read format.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>UMLet: Also GUI interface (seems not 100 % functional). It outputs to html, but this html only contains the position of the elements in the UML drawing and not the relation between components</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ASCIIFlow: Not properly an UML design tool, but it allows to quickly design simple component diagrams in ascii art, which can be included in code. Also allows to import and edit already existing ascii drawings. I believe It will not be used, but was put here as a reference.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>blockdiag and seqdiag: (<a href="http://blockdiag.com/en/" target="_blank">http://blockdiag.com/en/</a>), blockdiag provides two packages (shall be installed separately), blockdiag and seqdiag to, respectively, draw block and sequence diagrams. The input is text file which allows to generate the diagrams. Has also interface with sphinx and probably it is possible to represent the diagrams in asci art.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I would say that the best candidates are PlantUML and blockdiag.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I found other tools which are either dead projects (most of them) or have missing features. I will write down the list, If anyone is interested to have a look:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ARGOUML</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>UMBRELLO</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dia</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>StartUML</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>UMPLE</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m5148726903218990318msolistparagraph><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ZenUML</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I know that there is the idea to use the doxygen to generate architectural components from the code. I believe that any of these tools can be used when such situation is not possible, or do you think that doxygen alone will meet our needs? I still did not look at it…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Best regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>José</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:devel@rtems.org" target="_blank">devel@rtems.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.rtems.org/mailman/listinfo/devel" target="_blank">http://lists.rtems.org/mailman/listinfo/devel</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>