<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 6:56 PM Gedare Bloom <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:gedare@rtems.org">gedare@rtems.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 6:53 AM Sebastian Huber<br>
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:sebastian.huber@embedded-brains.de">sebastian.huber@embedded-brains.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 08/07/2020 14:43, Utkarsh Rai wrote:<br>
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> > Hello,<br>
> > For my GSoC project, I have to provide high-level APIs for sharing<br>
> > isolated stacks.<br>
> > The POSIX compliant high-level way of sharing stacks can be to create<br>
> > a shared memory object of the stack to be shared through shm_open and<br>
> > then mmap that to the address space of the current stack. My doubt is,<br>
> > shm_open() takes the path-name of the shared memory object. Since this<br>
> > is a high-level API, how does the user 'convert' the stack address to<br>
> > a shared memory object name?<br>
> Do we need any POSIX compatibility for this? What would you do in a<br>
> POSIX environment? You first get some memory, then hand it over to<br>
> shm_open() to get a file descriptor, then use the file descriptor in<br>
> mmap(), then use this for pthread_attr_setstack() and whatever?<br>
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Yes, but the way to name objects is not set by posix.<br>
<br>
We need to provide our own way of translating an address into a name.<br>
<br>
> ><br>
> > Dr.Gedare mentioned that one way to deal with naming would be<br>
> > something like Mr.Sebastian has been doing with specifications. From<br>
> > what I could gather, it is a hierarchical way of representing<br>
> > objects(Though, I am not very sure if I understand this accurately).<br>
> > How can something like this be implemented for naming stack-addresses?<br>
> I am not sure if the specification of RTEMS is helpful in this context.<br>
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I should have provided a little bit more guidance. I was thinking out<br>
loud in yesterday's IRC meeting. My thought was more along the lines<br>
of looking at how UIDs/naming should be done, and that specs had to<br>
solve a naming problem. However the static nature of specs is not a<br>
great fit to this problem.<br>
<br>
Actually, what is a good model would be something like /proc or<br>
Linux's sysfs. An IMFS filesystem that exports task information could<br>
be used to name memory regions. (It could eventually supplant<br>
task-based statistics reporting too.)<br>
<br>
Another idea I had though, which seems to have been lost in the<br>
shuffle, is to look at how the object names work in RTEMS and see if<br>
we can add some fixed relationships, e.g., task_name # stack.<br>
<br>
I think we should start by just treating the entire task stack as a<br>
single named object; either it is all shared, or none of it is shared.<br>
This will be easier to implement and also more widely supported by<br>
simpler MPU/MMU hardware. Later on, we can consider extending the<br>
namespace with 'offsets' /taskfs/IDLE/stack/00000A28<br>
could be a location at byte A28 offset from the start of the stack of<br>
the IDLE task.<br>
<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>I have a few questions - </div><div><br></div><div>> Users would get the stack address of the stack they want to share through pthread_attr_getstack(). Now, when they get the address they want to share, they would pass the appropriate name of this memory-region. What we have to provide is a mechanism to 'convert' this address to an appropriate name. Is this the accepted way or the other way round, i.e. the user passes a name as per a specified convention, and that name is 'converted' to a specific address? </div><div><br></div><div>> When you say "treating the entire task stack as a single named object" does it mean that we assign a single name, say "task_stack" to the complete stack address space? In that case, how do we deal we the presence of multiple tasks that are allocated from the same pool of task stack? I understand that on a simpler MPU/MMU hardware it would make sense to specify names for each memory section (.txt- "text", .bss - "bss" etc.) but in this case, where we are sharing only selected thread-stacks, I suppose we will have to have a way to handle 'offsets' right from the start?</div><div> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
Gedare<br>
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