<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">> We can test
this with Fernando, by changing the code to avoid printing - and instead
</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">> add integer
values in a log buffer... and dump all the log at the end.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">CONFIRMED.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Did a quick check,
commenting out the printfs and changing the code to do this instead:</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">void task_begin(int
task_no)</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">{</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">   
logBuffer[logBufferIdx++] = 64+task_no;</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">}</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">void task_end(int
task_no)</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">{</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">   
logBuffer[logBufferIdx++] = 128+task_no;</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">   
rtems_event_send(g_init_task_id, RTEMS_EVENT_0 << task_no);</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">   
rtems_task_delete(RTEMS_SELF);</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">}</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">..then if we dump
the contents of the buffer at the end, the proper - in sequence - output
is indeed shown, as expected:</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 64  
  <- TASK1 starts</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 128  
<- TASK1 ends</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 65  
 <- TASK2 starts</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 129  
 <- TASK2 ends</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 66  
.... etc.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 130</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 67</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 131</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">If I uncomment
the printfs, and re-introduce them...</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 64  
  <- TASK1 starts</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 65  
  <- TASK2 starts</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 66  
  <- TASK3 starts</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 67  
  <- TASK4 starts</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 128  
  <- TASK1 ends</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 129  
  <- TASK2 ends</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 131</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Log: 130</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">That settles it.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Thank you Thomas
and Chris - mystery solved.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">And lesson learned
- console output is pre-emption point with some BSPs (ZynQ), but not with
others (GR712RC, GR740).</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#000080;font-family:sans-serif"><b>Thanassis
Tsiodras</b></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Real-time Embedded
Software Engineer </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">System, Software
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       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Thanassis
Tsiodras (external)" <Thanassis.Tsiodras@esa.int></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Thomas
Doerfler" <Thomas.Doerfler@imd-systems.de></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Cc:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">users@rtems.org</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">01/05/2020
11:22</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
RTEMS tasks timesliced instead of running to completion. TIMESLICE flag
is not active!</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><i>> When the
console driver works in interrupt mode and the output ring</i></span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><i><br>
> buffer between the driver's base context and interrupt context is</i></span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><i><br>
> filled, the driver's base context (and actually the calling task)
waits</i></span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><i><br>
> (*******<b>and gets suspended</i></b><i>)*************** until there
is space again in the output buffer.</i></span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
<br>
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
I think that is a key observation Thomas - thank you.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
<br>
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If I understand you well, you are saying that in BSPs that don't use polling-based
console output, there is a pre-emption point just because of a printf.
<br>
That would indeed explain why the moment Task1 prints "Starting"
the task can get suspended because of this call - and presumably allowing
Task2 to start, thus giving "timeslice" behavior.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
We can test this with Fernando, by changing the code to avoid printing
- and instead add integer values in a log buffer... and dump all the log
at the end.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
If we see that the values are generated in the proper sequence, then it
is indeed the console output that causes this pre-emption.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
Does anyone know if the ZynQ's BSP uses a small enough console buffer that
would be filled up with just printing <i>"[TASK 0] Starting..</i>."
- and thus cause a pre-emption?</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> <br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#000080;font-family:sans-serif"><b><br>
Thanassis Tsiodras</b></span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
Real-time Embedded Software Engineer <br>
System, Software and Technology Department</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><b><br>
ESTEC</b></span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
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From:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Thomas
Doerfler" <Thomas.Doerfler@imd-systems.de></span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
To:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">users@rtems.org</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
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Date:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">01/05/2020
10:54</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
Subject:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
RTEMS tasks timesliced instead of running to completion. TIMESLICE flag
is not active!</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
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Am 01.05.20 um 10:13 schrieb Thanassis Tsiodras (external):<br>
> /> Polled vs interrupt console drivers?/<br>
> <br>
> I don't see how...  With tasks spawned with RTEMS_DEFAULT_MODES
and<br>
> CONFIGURE_MAXIMUM_PROCESSORS set to 1, Task 2 should not be allowed
to<br>
> run until Task 1 completes - so the output of "Starting"
( in<br>
> "task_begin" of Task 2) should not be able to precede the
output of<br>
> "Computed" at the end of Task1 - the relevant print should
not have<br>
> happened yet.<br>
<br>
When the console driver works in interrupt mode and the output ring<br>
buffer between the driver's base context and interrupt context is<br>
filled, the driver's base context (and actually the calling task) waits<br>
(and gets suspended) until there is space again in the output buffer.<br>
<br>
So this is a point where the next task may start to execute.<br>
<br>
Remember: doing I/O operations may often preempt a running task,<br>
depending on the driver structure.<br>
<br>
IMHO, relying on "NO_PREEMPT" as a way to avoid other tasks to
run is<br>
dangerous.<br>
<br>
OTOH, I would expect more mingled output if this were the real cause for<br>
the behavior seen. So there me a different cause for this.<br>
<br>
wkr,<br>
<br>
Thomas.<br>
<br>
> <br>
> I can understand how console output can become garbled in tasks that
are<br>
> running concurrently - but in this case, I would expect them to run
in<br>
> sequence.<br>
> The only way for this<br>
> <br>
> [TASK 0] Starting...<br>
> [TASK 0] Computed the correct floating point result.<br>
> [TASK 1] Starting...<br>
> [TASK 1] Computed the correct integer result.<br>
> [TASK 2] Starting...<br>
> [TASK 2] Computed the correct floating point result.<br>
> [TASK 3] Starting...<br>
> [TASK 3] Computed the correct integer result.<br>
> <br>
> to turn into this<br>
> <br>
> The expected result:<br>
> [TASK 0] Starting...<br>
> [TASK 1] Starting...<br>
> [TASK 2] Starting...<br>
> [TASK 3] Starting...<br>
> [TASK 0] Computed the correct floating point result.<br>
> [TASK 1] Computed the correct integer result.<br>
> [TASK 2] Computed the correct floating point result.<br>
> [TASK 3] Computed the correct integer result.<br>
> <br>
> ...is if indeed, the tasks are running concurrently with the ZynQ
BSP.<br>
> <br>
> So the question is:<br>
> <br>
> Given the task spawning parameters ("RTEMS_DEFAULT_MODES")
and<br>
> CONFIGURE_MAXIMUM_PROCESSORS set to 1, is it right to experience<br>
> timeslicing on the ZynQ ZC706?<br>
> <br>
> *Thanassis Tsiodras*<br>
> Real-time Embedded Software Engineer<br>
> System, Software and Technology Department<br>
> <br>
> *ESTEC*<br>
> Keplerlaan 1, PO Box 299<br>
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> From:        "Chris Johns" <chrisj@rtems.org><br>
> To:        "Thanassis Tsiodras (external)"
<Thanassis.Tsiodras@esa.int><br>
> Cc:        "Gedare Bloom" <gedare@rtems.org>,
"rtems-users@rtems.org"<br>
> <users@rtems.org>, "Fernando Domínguez Pousa" <fdpousa@gmv.com><br>
> Date:        01/05/2020 09:46<br>
> Subject:        Re: RTEMS tasks timesliced instead
of running to<br>
> completion. TIMESLICE flag is not active!<br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 1/5/20 5:08 pm, Thanassis Tsiodras (external) wrote:<br>
>> Note that this test (complete code in <br>
>> </span></tt><a href="https://gitrepos.estec.esa.int/ttsiodras/RTEMS-build-workflows/-/tree/master/OAR"><tt><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue"><u>https://gitrepos.estec.esa.int/ttsiodras/RTEMS-build-workflows/-/tree/master/OAR</u></span></tt></a><tt><span style=" font-size:10pt">)<br>
> <br>
>> creates the proper - non-interleaved - output when compiled and
executed<br>
>> for the GR712RC and GR740 boards... but creates the interleaved
output<br>
>> in a ZynQ ZC706 board.<br>
> <br>
> Polled vs interrupt console drivers?<br>
> <br>
> Chris<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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